I flirted with pick up artist techniques when I chanced upon the book ‘The Game Neil Strauss’ off the local bookstore when I was 19 years old. I had just broke up with my ex girlfriend I was reeling in depression and self-victimization.
It was as if I picked up the bible. I was hooked on the idea that you could do something about your chances with girls. I was hooked on the idea that as long as you did certain things, you could get a girl in bed. It’s like a formula to sex. I would then go on to spend all the free time I had in the military reading up all the dating advice material after another.
I remembered that I “negged” a girl and she laughed, it was exhilarating at first. Girls are actually finally finding me funny now! If a girl is laughing meant she was interested in you right? Well, she stopped texting me on the phone in a few days later. Months passed, I still wasn’t getting kisses or sex or anything of that sort, however, I just felt more empowered socially.
I eventually got desperate and emptied half my savings as a 19 years old and hired a dating coach that promised a “Singaporean method” to pick up, and finally get the girl.
Eventually, after a lot more trial and error, I got my first taste of success. I started dating more girls and slept with some of them, my notch count was getting higher. I prided myself knowing these little secrets that nobody knew.
I didn’t really go around telling my friends what I was on to either, cause I tried and some of them will just laugh it off. Eventually, after repeated success with girls after a couple of months it was “proof” that these pick up artist techniques and theories worked.
Okay, after years of doing this all over the world, I’m going to let you in on a couple of secrets. There’s a lot of marketing and fluff in the dating advice industry, let me break it down for you.
Pick up artist techniques such as lines and routines can be used as a crutch initially to get you started, however, you’ll eventually need to learn how to connect emotionally with others, and pursue women from a standpoint of sexual assertiveness.
There’s nothing inherently wrong and bad about learning how and talk to an attractive stranger. However, it’s another whole different issue when you’re identifying yourself as a pick up artist.
Firstly, the idea that you have to adopt a seperate identity (a pick up artist) in order to be cool, be liked or get girls to like you is in itself, telling yourself that you as a human being, you’re not worthy of affection, attention from the opposite sex.
Of course, I’m not unrealistic and saying that there is nothing to done and only to be. I’m referring to a more identity level and self-image thing. Pick up artists tend to fall into the pure “pick up artist” self and isolate themselves from the world around them. The interactions that I had that turned out great over the years with me were often myself being a relaxed state and feeling not like a need to remember some line or technique.
Where are you coming from when you want to get good with women? Are you coming from a place of inferiority or a place or security?
The fact that you need to ‘demonstrate higher value’ or ‘neg her’ just means you see yourself as someone who is inferior to her. Someone with true confidence doesn’t need to go about demonstrating higher value or actively look for derogatory insults to bring her ‘value’ down. Here’s another catch-22: if you need to constantly demonstrate yourself as someone superior, then subtley demonstrates you’re inferior. Your actions and intentions will bleed through.
I always hear pick up guys saying: ‘You got to isolate and distract their friends whilst being in the nightclub.’
I don’t agree with this. Firstly, on a technical level, your intentions will bleed through and the girls your approaching is going to get defensive. Secondly, if you’re in Asian culture, she’s going to get worried about her friends (and her friends are going get worried about her) when she gets separated from her.
That’s utter rubbish. You can express yourself directly regardless of looks or height. In fact, you might even come off as more polarizing if you’re not exactly that good looking or tall, and you’re willing to be completely authentic and honest with her.
I also get some feedback that I’m considered ‘good looking’, hence it might be my good looks that helps me with my ‘game’.
Just to give you some insight, my first year in ‘game’ was spent dolling myself up with nice looking clothes, hitting the gym, and ‘looking good’. I still didn’t get laid.
In fact, I’d argue that good looks may even work against you. Girls may call you out for being a player and she’s going to project all sort of stereotypes onto you.
It’s not uncommon to see people from the pick up artist community swearing by the game, going out 6-7 times a week, dedicating a huge portion of their life to this area of their life. I’m partly guilty of this, well, imagine the women and the respect from the guys. Which young male in his 20s doesn’t desire that?
It was a metric of success that I measured myself by for years. If I wasn’t off making new friends, I was off chasing some girl. Or either that, I should be travelling to some new country to explore the world, in the name of ‘self development’.
When I was hanging some of the guys from the pick up artist community, it’s not long before you hear them discuss their sex lives in a quantified manner. “I’ve slept with 13 girls so far, how about you?”.
You could had slept with 13 fat girls that you weren’t even interested in, and I choose to be with a plain Jane girlfriend who loves me, have mindblowing sex with and don’t drive me crazy. Who would have been the better man? Who would have had the better ‘Game’?
You’re only as good as the quality of girl you date, not the number of girls you date.
Secondly, as much as learning social skills has helped me in various aspects of my life. Your emotional life is not one to be studied or to researched like a mathematical equation where quality, meaning and significance of social interactions are traded for objectified metrics such as hook close ratios and all of that un-needed metrics.
In the short run, these behaviours might actually seem to be working, but in the long run, you’ll find out that you’re the same low self-esteem person that relied on those lines and theories to get you anywhere in your social life.
Entering the pick up artist community, I went through the whole mystery method thing. It always about said: X + Y = Z. You may have had some success in the short run.
However, it it works not because of those lines or behaviours. But rather, those lines or behaviours allowed you to hit on a girl openly for the first time in your life.
If you’ve always relied on lines and theories to get you anywhere in your social life, you’re not going to be happy in the long run. Relationships, friendships, and romance aren’t built upon lines or half-baked theories. You’re still reinforcing the fact that you are not enough as you are. You’re still putting on a character in your social interactions instead of engaging your true self. They are borne out of a genuine emotional connection with another individual.
You can read a brilliant article done up by The Rawness. He talks about psychological terms such as codependency, narcissism, self loathing issues, childhood dynamics with parents and how all of them intertwine with the pick up artist persona.
Here’s an insightful quote from the article:
“Or you decide to learn as many manipulation techniques as humanly possible by reading a ton of strategy books like those of Machiavelli, Sun Tzu and Robert Greene. What this all boils down to is one thing: fear of rejection and trying to protect one’s ego by mastering the outcome in your head beforehand.”
Over the years I had the fortune of meeting some of the people from the Singapore pick up artist community. The common theme I come across them are teens and people in their early twenties trying to get into clubs for FREE to hit on women. They over use the term ‘game’ and don’t really have any other thing going on in other aspects of their life.
Some of them come in the form of herd mentality where the relationships amongst each other are toxic. This is why I try to distant myself from the community as much as possible. Note, I’m not saying that picking up or approaching a girl isn’t part of the entire dating and relationship process. I’m just saying there’s a sofit minority in Singapore that I don’t resonate with.
You’re never going to really improve your life circumstances if you don’t have safe relationships in your life you can rely upon. When you mix a bunch of pick up artists (who suck at relationships that’s why they are in it) who sees you as an object, a ‘wing’ to go out with and not a real fucking human being, you’re highly likely going to end up in toxic friendships.
I can’t stress this enough, but you’re going to end up like the person you hang around with the most. His or her beliefs and worldviews are going to have a huge influence on you. This is heavily researched in psychology.
Look no one wants to hang out with a loser, it’s a selfish world.
However, do you want to constantly be around some ‘pick up artist’ who not only sees women as objects, but also sees all of his relationships (including you) as something that can be manipulated. Or do you want to be around with friends that doesn’t fuck with your emotions?
I know there are idiots who prefer the former, cause deep down, they don’t relationships as something that can be safe and supportive. They see relationships as something to be earned, bargained or traded.
Looking back, I passed up tons of dating opportunities because deep down I still felt I wasn’t good enough. I was still not going for girls that I’m genuinely attracted to, and second guessing my interactions with girls that I was actually attracted to who were giving me obvious signs.
I realized I couldn’t be physically intimate with a girl, without thinking of a technique to touch her.
I figured because pursuing a girl I am genuinely sexually or emotionally attracted to, rubs against my emotional maps of rejection and abandonment. It’s not a sure win anymore, as opposed to going for girls that I’m less invested in and wouldn’t sting from being rejected.
These are the real issues: social acceptance, abandonment and your emotional maps. These are the real issues that guys getting into this dating advice thing should confronting and look into in the long run. These the issues that they avoid, focusing their time and effort on lines, techniques and routines.
However, what the PUA community did right was to introduce the idea of self-reliance. Yes, it started out with tricks and lines and the ability to ‘manipulate’ girls. It was the wrong material, however, the fundamental idea that you could do change and influence your dating life was helpful.
There’s a reason why the pick up artist community is much smaller in Asian cultures compared to Westernized cultures. The ideas that come along pick up isn’t exactly traditional Asian values oriented. Asian culture is stereotyped to be more group-ish, cliquish/ introverted. Well, that’s true to a certain extent.
What inspired you to get into this in the first place? These questions are extremely difficult questions to ask. They often lead back to past traumatic experiences, childhood and upbringing. Some of them maybe emotional abuse, physical abuse, financial difficulties or strict religious upbringing. It took me years to confront some of these issues. It took me years to be self-aware that I had faulty coping mechanisms all the way up to my early adult life.
The majority of the people coming into this are looking for a quick fix. You may think, Marcus, that’s not me.